02/12/2015 : Taff's Gloversblog : The Revolving Door Spins Again
2 December 2015 : The Revolving Door Spins Again
So here we go again. It seems incredible to say it, but Yeovil Town are on their search for yet another first team manager as we reach the tail end of 2015. The decision to relieve Paul Sturrock of his duties leaves me with some mixed feelings over the situation. It's true to say that any manager who hasn't won a league match in twelve attempts is going to be put under pressure, even if he is only thirty games into his tenure. When you go bottom of the division, that is also psychologically significant and magnifies that situation.

That all said, I think it is a nonsense that we are now heading for our fourth management team of 2015 - and of course given Darren Way's position is labelled as an "interim" one, we may have a fifth team by December 31st. I highlighted in a recent blog that this is not the route to success, but it has become a growing theme of football in recent seasons. However, there's no evidence that sort of thing benefits clubs - two seasons ago, Bristol Rovers got through four managers in one season and were relegated out of the Football League. Last season Cheltenham Town did the same, and were also relegated. In League One, Leyton Orient got through four managers and were also relegated.

Ours is spread across two seasons at present, but it's the same sort of issue - you're constantly changing managers, backroom staff, players, systems and your danger is that it's change itself that is causing your demise. I've done a rough count on how many players we've used during 2015 so far, and it's in the region of sixty players. Clearly that is not the way to stability and success.

So in an ideal world, I would have preferred Paul Sturrock to have been given the opportunity to prove that he could pull himself out of the problems that he was in, and that as injured players slowly returned and gained full match fitness that they should gradually reap rewards. It was very clear that the squad that he had built was not going to be a promotion-chasing side, even if he'd had zero injuries, but I do feel some sympathy with him for the way the season has unfolded. If he had given us a middle-of-the-road mid-table League Two side this season then I don't think there would have been too few complaints - we are a club crying out for stability, and I think we needed this to be a stable season to rebuild the club. But each game we didn't win, was another game where you started to wonder just exactly when the tide would turn - even if Wycombe and Northampton were hardly the best opponents to get your form back against.

I said over the summer, that Sturrock's Number One priority had to be to get rid of the club's losing mentality that had been prevalent throughout the team, and even one the terraces throughout the 2014-15 season. Unfortunately as players began to return off the treatment table, I also felt that the losing mentality was starting to return from all angles. To be clear, it's not a mentality that players or fans go out to see their team lose a game, but it's more that an inset fear seeps into whole style of play. Players would resort often to short sideways or backward passes because they didn't have the confidence to go for the ambitious pass. That was creating a nervousness to the team's play, and a tendency for the third or fourth pass to become an error - sometimes a fatal one.

From a fans point of view it's the sort of situation where when you go 1-0 down, people have increasingly thought "game over", whereas in more confident times that would be viewed as a red rag to a bull, where we'd have the belief that our team was going to win 2-1. There have been very acute mood swings amongst supporters as soon as that first goal has been scored - an air of resignation about the club. I'm not criticising as I've felt it myself, but it's not an atmosphere that gets you back into games.

Furthermore, Sturrock's footballing philosophy of "passes, crosses, goals" that he spoke about during his early days wasn't materialising on a regular enough occasion - there was often a lack of ambition and movement from the forward-thinking players to get into those positions where that was possible. Either he needed the likes of Ryan Dickson, Kevin Dawson and Jack Compton to have been available to him on a more regular basis than they have been, or that a lack of confidence or ability prevented players from being able to carry out the philosophy that he was after. There was a clear gap between Sturrock's stated philosophy and the way it looked in actual games.

I think Sturrock was fully aware of what his team was failing on, and was slowly applying some positive fixes - Darren Ward was a clear example of that, whilst Francois Zoko was an attempt to deal with the fact that apart from Ryan Bird, our strikers have yet to find a groove, although Hary Cornick has done well from deeper positions. The problem that he has found - and Gary Johnson before him - is that once you get ten games into your season and realise that some of the squad you've brought in are not doing the job that you hoped they would, you've got to do changes, which at that point can only be done via the loan transfer market. If you add half-a-dozen injuries on top of that, then your dive into the loan market isn't to fix those teething problems - it's actually to deal with the gaping hole in your squad.

Some of the parallels with last season are worrying, and if there's one thing that Sturrock's replacement needs to do, is to examine why Yeovil Town Football Club - irrespective of the first team manager - has been picking up a multitude of injuries year after year. It looks like bad luck, but apart from things like Wes Fogden's broken hand which nothing can prepare you for, you need to look at whether the magnitude of ankle, knee, hamstring and calf injuries - mostly soft tissue - have any root cause behind them, such as the club's training facilities, or their strength and conditioning, or their physio facilities.

I won't pretend to be an expert on this, except to say that this hasn't been a "Sturrock thing" - this has been going on for several years - it's incredible to think that we've changed manager twice during the time that Simon Gillett and Kevin Dawson have been sat on the treatment table - neither played under Skiverton or Sturrock. That's not only denying you of two gifted players, it's also - based on two players missing out of a 20 man playing squad - meaning that 10 percent of your playing budget is sitting entirely idle. That's not the fault of the players, but that when added to the four or five shorter term absentees, has been a huge overhead.

I am rather surprised that Terry Skiverton and Darren Way did not also head out the door as part of yesterday's announcement. I don't subscribe at all to some of the language that has been aimed in their direction over the past year, and think they deserve more respect than that. However, with them having been part of consecutive management teams that have ultimately been broken up, there comes a time when you'd wonder whether the continual aim of having a 'fresh start' each time is hampered by leaving two-thirds of the previous incumbents in place. Nevertheless, I wish them the best of luck and hope they do succeed.

For the club to make such changes though, this is going to get expensive, and again I'd refer back to the start of this blog where I mentioned the four management teams and in the region of sixty players we've got through during the calendar year. Last week, Newport County revealed the costs of removing Terry Butcher, Russell Osman and Steve Marsella from their positions when they made the decision, just after their Supporters Trust took ownership of the club, to bring in John Sheridan as their new boss. They have indicated that the decision cost their club 75,000, giving them a twelve month schedule to pay one of the three, whilst the other two parties were given a six month payment schedule. Because of the wording of the contract, their payments had to include bonus and holiday payments, even though the bonus conditions had not been met during Butcher's time at the club.

For Newport, their club ownership change and first team management change has so far gone well for them. However, for York City their management change has not had the deserved effect. On Saturday they lost 1-5 at home to Accrington Stanley - their worst home league result since 1957, which came a week after a 6-0 drubbing against Portsmouth. They have now equalled a club record of eight straight defeats that stretch back to the match in which they sacked manager Russ Wilcox. This is despite new boss Jackie McNamara bringing in five new signings last week in an attempt to stop the rot.

So management changes can work both ways. My own view is that the state of a football club overall has a greater effect on the performance of a football team - it's unusual to have a manager come in and radically transform a club's fortunes, given that the playing budget, the injuries, the questionable signings and the limitations of the club are only things that can be changed very slowly over the course of time, and with the aid of other parties outside the manager's office. There's occasionally a brief 'honeymoon period' when a new boss comes in, but longer term change usually needs boardroom-level policies to be implemented.

That view seems to be shared by former boss Gary Johnson, who was interviewed yesterday by the BBC. I know a few people will inevitably feel that Gary shouldn't be sticking his oar in, given that he shared some of the responsibility for the club's failings during 2014, up until his departure in February 2015, but as a man who understands the dynamics of Huish Park, and what might have changed over the years to turn it from a stable League One standard club, into a nose-diving one in danger of dropping out of the league, it's hard to find better placed people. His point that the club have taken their eye off the football, and are concentrating too hard on their development plans is one that several supporters have suggested in the past.

Sturrock's departure has inevitably given rise to a whole host of names who the bookies and the local media have "connected" with the vacancy. Although it's interesting to contemplate who should come in, I really wouldn't take any of the names being listed at all seriously at this stage. The chances are that the Yeovil Town board have not spoken to any external parties yet, and for many past management appointments they haven't followed that sort of a path, preferring to either appoint internally, or to target one specific name as their manager of choice. They've not tended to work off long lists of candidates. Some of the names listed are utterly laughable, but these days people seem to feed off the 'it-was-on-the-internet-so-it-must-be-true' way of thinking. Meanwhile bookies merely provide odds on whoever is willing to place bets on an individual - it doesn't follow that the person listed actually is connected with the job.

The other thing that Chairman John Fry has tended to steer from throughout his time, is the idea of bringing in managers who are already in appointed positions at other clubs. David Webb, Colin Addison, Gary Johnson and Paul Sturrock were all out of work when they arrived at the club, whilst Russell Slade's contract was up at Grimsby Town with the club waiting until his contract expired before they took him on. All other appointments were internal, meaning that we have never paid another club compensation in order to recruit a manager.

With the costs of paying off Sturrock following his sacking firmly in Fry's mind, I can't see him being in a hurry to pay out a second lump sum. Sometimes certain people have release clauses built into their contracts to enable them to step up a ladder, but generally they do not come 'strings free' so if any names on the bookies and media lists are currently in a job then I'd be skeptical. Then there's the viewpoint of the incoming man - if you are Marcus Stewart (for example) would you jump from the safety of a rising Bristol Rovers club to a job at the foot of the division that could see you sacked within six months if you are unsuccessful in keeping the club in the Football League? That's one heck of a gamble for anyone in their first job in management - at that point the one entry on your CV says "Relegation". Someone with a longer track record may be able to shrug that one off, but a rookie would find that statistic to be a noose around their neck, even though clearly that might not be a true reflection upon their abilities

Whichever way the Board go, this will probably be the most important appointment that the club has made in modern times. Get it right, and there's some breathing space where hopefully the club can address some of its current issues regarding recruitment, coaching and financing to ensure it restabilises in the Football League. Get it wrong though, and we're probably heading through the trap door.


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Comments On This Article
Old Green Eyes said ...

As ever, spot on.

However lets not kid ourselves, Fry and Hayward have already appointed the new manager. Wasn't Skivo 'Interim Manager' for ages, and would have continued to be so were it not for the need for a last throw of the dice to save us last year. Same will happen here. Darren will be given until we are few games mathematically from relegation then someone will be parachuted in at the last minute.

I wonder what Steve Thompson is doing these days?
02/12/2015 12:42:54

Palm Beach Glover said ...

You hit the nail on the head "getting it right" the club doesnt need another boardroom error, coupled with a lack of investment (and seeming unwillingness to search for it) the future looks bleak. They had their chance with arguably the best lower league manager in modern time GJ and blew it on all fronts.
02/12/2015 12:45:05

Paul Toseland said ...

Again a well considered and thoughtful article.
One thing that I hope from the change and if from what I remember was a reflection from the way that Darren Way approached games as a player, there needs to be a switch from negative to positive immediately, then from whoever takes over if needed.

I think we have seen on occasions that players could perform IF they are allowed to perhaps? The set up of the team for 2 or 3 seasons has been in my opinion to try to avoid defeat not to go out to win (which for the most part Gary did). It hasn't worked.
We defend too deep, do not run at teams, do not get to the byeline and most notably from corners pull everyone back so there is no out ball. I feel we should press teams not them press us.

On stats alone one can see our problem. on average about 3 shots at goal per game and few on target. that's unforgiveable at home.

We need leaders and one thing I would try, some may not agree, is to play Sokolic as a midfielder to give us some bite and positivity. Play the fastest players we have up front , certainly if we play with one up. Pace is certainly an issue and I think Compton will be a big help when he comes back. Ryan Bird is a box player not a runner and chaser, when we have got crosses in he has scored so not all doom and gloom.

Unfortunately when Skiverton has been involved in the coaching or management defence and caution seems to have been the by word. The mantra lets win 1-0 comes to mind, somewhat like the days of Russell Slade. We can't afford to be cautious any more and have to take it to teams. Maybe simply changing the approach is what's needed to give the players a chance to show what they can do?
02/12/2015 13:22:06

Martin said ...

A very well written article but it does smack at some of the same old comments. I belive a full clear out is required by the Club. Sorry Darren and Terry your time should be up too; but guess the mealie mouthed Board will do its usual patch job and put them in until the season ends. Two more years and we can visit Weymouth and eat fish and chips on a wind swept beach. Yummy! Too little too late from the Board and the same errors will be made again. Fry, get out you old bugger.
02/12/2015 13:31:44

Simon Banfield said ...

Regarding Steve Thompson, it looks increasingly likely we will see him in a Huish Park dugout next season. He's currently first team coach at Woking, safely in mid-table in the National Leage
02/12/2015 13:35:27

Will said ...

Well that was jolly Badger!

Gary Johnson has actually hit the nail on the head.

"The club needs investment, ambition and personality...."

Let's take the first point - investment.

The biggest single failing of the last 2.5 years since the win at Wembley is the board's failure to bring in outside investment. There was a golden opportunity in the summer of 2013 to sell YTFC as Somerset's club, the biggest club in the Westcountry and bring outside money in. John Fry has admitted that he didn't know how and instead focused on the 'pie-in-the-sky' stadium development white elephant.

Which leads us to the second point - ambition.

The season in the Championship was lauded as a success. I don't know another football club (let alone a commercial business) where finishing 24th out of 24 could be considered a success. Perhaps the only success was in the amount of money generated. But that was a very blinkered and short-term view on the board's part. Since promotion to League 1 in 2005 there has never been any real, long-term ambition. It has taken two very good managers, with miraculously injury-free seasons and with squads that gelled brilliantly (not to mention a bit of luck signing strikers - Leon Best and Paddy Madden) to get us to the play-offs. In between it was always about scraping our way to survival and being grateful for it. In the Championship there was too much acceptance from the beginning that we would go down. In League 1 it was always a case of survival, until the inevitable happened (as it happens when we least expected it). In an interview last summer John Fry stated that the aim this season was to stay up. Why? Because of a lack of ability to bring in any outside investment and a lack of ambition.

The final point is personality. Like him or not, Gary Johnson has it in spades. On our first rise and on his return he was like a one-man PR department for the club. But it's not about the manager. It's about the way the whole club and every employee presents themselves. As far as I can see, the ticket office, club shop and Jimmy Healey are the only people projecting the image required. Everything else is moribund (look it up!)

I can only hope that this supporters trust will be in place in time to make an impact (or if necessary form a new club) before we slide into Conference South. I can see John Fry now: "There's some bigger clubs in the Conference now than when we were last here. And they are all full-time now. There are no easy games. We should be happy with a top half finish."

What will it take for him to realise that the current regime has outlasted its (limited) usefulness? Perhaps a 3-0 home defeat next season by Braintree or Whitehawk. I hope it doesn't come to that. I've been through that kind of thing before. It was terrible. For those in need of a history lesson - look up September / October 1995 to find the previous low point. Only if it happens again, the past 10 years of no ambition and no plan has seriously depleted the goodwill and excitement for football of the town of Yeovil and we could expect disaster this time around.

Sorry for the slightly ranting stream of consciousness!
02/12/2015 13:36:42

Camberwick green said ...

I have sympathy for PS - he had no luck at all.
Mr Fry said a few weeks back that it was up to the management TEAM to pull things round. Once again only one member of that failed team pays the price.
No new manager will be permitted to bring in his own backroom staff.
02/12/2015 13:40:55

Peter said ...

If John Fry wants to give himself a bit of a break from the justified anger from supporters towards him, then he must go all out to get Ian Holloway. As unlikely as that may be that is the type of manager we need. Someone who will not make excuses and will call it like it is.
I have already said that I don't think I could get behind a manager that doesn't have the character of a Holloway, Jewell type.
But knowing how inept John Fry is at running the club, Darren Way will probably get the job until we are relegated, and then him and Skivo will be party of any future management team and we'll be off to the Conference. Either that or he is going to appoint another "yes" man, not someone with the sense to tell Fry and co. that they are killing the club
02/12/2015 13:53:13

James said ...

And still TS and DW remain. Why are the board not addressing their involvement in this?

I do feel that the Supporters Trust may be coming at a very appropriate time. Any chance the appearance of the Trust set alarm bells ringing in JF's eyes that forced an early exit of PS?
02/12/2015 14:22:17

Brian Pike said ...

Excellent article as usual and yes for sure here we go again.

The problem as I see it is that you are at the bottom of any League because the players you have are just not good enough for the job they are being asked to do. The same also applies to the Management team and results don't lie!.

The football we have played this season has been absolutely dour and we look a team destined for relegation.

We still have enough of the season left to pull away from the precarious position we find ourselves in. I think we need to change the Management team in its entirety and bring in an experienced Manager with his own backroom staff albeit this will not come cheap. I feel failing to act now will be far more costly in the long run.
02/12/2015 15:17:47

em said ...

Off the field items seems to have affected Yeovil the planning for retail park how many attempts have Yeovil fc done in last few years.
It's a shame Paul gone as I think we were playing better hopefully few are injured players will be back soon.
So who would you like to manage our team Marcus Stewart with Jamie Mcallister. Or can Darren make it work with Terry.
Lee Johnson would he be tempted or Lee Clark .

Can we escape going down this season what does anyone think




02/12/2015 16:07:37

Roy Mallard said ...

4 managers is the result of not winning football matches not the cause. I wont miss Paul Sturrock's weakly comment of "When we get the boy Laird fit", the boy didn't make much difference to Tranmere last year with his 39 appearances!
I would like to see Nathan Jones back as manager.
02/12/2015 16:34:24

Will said ...

Just another note, this time on the proclamations of who we should bring in as manager.

I'd prefer a new broom to sweep clean. But ideally a Gary Johnson (2001 edition) type. Not well-known but with a lot of experience under his belt. Someone in their 40s who has earned all their badges, had a lot of coaching experience in a range of jobs and who has a football philosophy that the Yeovil public will enjoy.

Finding this individual will be a tall order, but as you say this appointment is critical.

Next job is the squad. The ideal would be an injection of cash before the transfer window and recruitment of the best young players Tier 5 and 6 have to offer. How Peterborough have recently gone about things. Or Accrington have built of late.
02/12/2015 17:35:11

Andy C said ...

Fry,Skiverton & Way all need to go as they along with the team from last season have the losing mentality that made Sturrock ditch the whole squad more or less.
A start would be going to watch a home team trying to play like a home team IE try to win a game and not lose it. If this doesn't happen even more people will stop going. A lot of people I know that no longer bother going are people that have watched since Southern Premier League days so have seen worse teams but probably none more boring !
As for the board forget about the hotel etc and making themselves a nice bit of money and sort out what is happening in the dugout...quickly.
02/12/2015 17:40:29

Gill Green said ...

Strange how the two who have been closely associated with the rapid decline in team performance and ability are once again given the opportunity to turn things around. If Way is the preferred option as interim then why retain Skiverton? Both were great as players and have given the Club a loyalty that has been more than repaid. Of course they come cheap which fits nicely with Fry's ethos. Don't have a problem with that providing the Club's honest enough to admit it. Really you could put anyone with a mild interest in football in charge and they couldn't do any worse. The majority of current players and management would struggle in National South and it's going to take Board commitment to football (financial and spiritual) to put matters right. Sadly, I fear it's too late and a return to our non league roots beckons.
02/12/2015 17:45:38

Em said ...

Roy your right Bring back Nathan Jones to be manager what does everyone else think .
02/12/2015 17:48:17

stuart Watson said ...

Good article and agree with everything but I think John Fry should come out and tell the supporters why he keeps Terry Skiverton and Darren Way every time he sacks a manager. They are part of the problem so they need to go as well but I understand having Darren Way in charge in the interim but we need someone in with there own backroom staff and john Fry and the board have to be brave and pay the right money for the right person if not this will just continue, we will be relegated and the crowds will just get lower. If they are not going to appoint the right people then they need to sell the club and let someone else take over the club and hopefully investment.
02/12/2015 18:14:05

SheFellOver said ...

I'd like a manager who stands taller than 5' 6", please. Anybody else noticed that Johnson, Sturrock and now Way are all similar in build and we've ended up with a team of pocket dynamos - like their gaffas - but doesn't have any great flair or skill?
02/12/2015 19:28:07

Mark Budden said ...

I feel, in a sense that we missed a trick at the beginning of our championship season...after a great opening day win at Millwall and then a comfortable 3-0 Carling Cup win against lower opposition we played Birmingham in our first home game. Birmingham were expected to do well so we all said " it was no disgrace to loose 1-0 to Birmingham". In fact, Birmingham only stayed up on the last day ( remember Lee Clark charging round the pitch in delight). In fact, we beat them 2-0 in the reverse fixture later in the season. My point is... we had that inferior mentality virtually from the kick off of the season and despite a few super results ( i.e. Watford away, Forest at home) we couldn't quite sustain it.I am convinced that with a bit more adventurous spirit and , dare I say investment without breaking the bank we were quite capable of staying up with a place or two to spare.
02/12/2015 19:38:55

Paul said ...

I agree that DW and TS should go as well. John Fry and Mr Hayward have to invest or sell the club. It is know good saying there is no one out there who would not buy the club
02/12/2015 20:40:35

Gill Green said ...

Mr Fry - genius - install Way as interim Manager thus lengthening the odds on Skiverton to 50/1, down to Ladbrokes to clean up when you appoint Skiverton and hand him the money to spend in January to secure League status. Absurd? Of course, he wouldn't hand the money over would he.
02/12/2015 20:58:45

Matthew said ...

Fry is the cancer in this club who'll drag us back to Non league or out of business all together.
How much time and money has he wasted on deluded plans which always end up falling flat.
When Gary left Way and Skivo should have been shown the door as they have failed time and again.
The best we can all hope for is for the old farts on the board to clear off to their villa's in Spain and someone with an ounce of business accrumen to start again with driven individuals who aren't just journeymen who bleed the club dry.
02/12/2015 21:29:57

Dusty said ...

A couple of weeks ago I did not expect PS to go but then I read the piece about the newspaper article in Scotland when in his comments PS all but threw in the towel. Maybe he wanted out. As for DW/TS its all been said before and I don't see how they have survived all the management changes. Unless DW has hidden talents, character and personality I don't see him impacting but good luck to him for now. Maybe we should just get head judge Len off Strictly - he would say just go out there, do your best, give it some welly and enjoy yourself. That would maybe do just now!
02/12/2015 22:04:35

Dave said ...

Although I feel that a complete overhaul of the management/coaching staff is vital, it would be stupid not to take advantage of the interim period if it provides some good results. Darren could just motivate a victory on Saturday and if Yeovil pick up an away draw against a Premier League club and the financial rewards it would bring, our season could begin to change. I, like many other supporters, live in hope!
02/12/2015 23:12:18

Martin said ...

Consensus from all of your comments above, 99% in favour of DW and TS going with Fry carrying their bags. Holloway a great choice as he will tell the Board exactly what he needs and do something about it. Good idea of Roy's too.
Keep everything crossed for change; but Fry is old, so he will stay with the failures of the backroom staff. Just think TS is defensive coach, he hasn't done too well in that department this year with all the basic errors. Come on Yeovil!!
03/12/2015 05:46:02

andrew strickland said ...

Until JF sees the light and realizes he is boss of a football club, NOT A DEVELOPMENT CONSORTIUM, we are truly doomed for that unconceivable return to obscurity and non-league.
After over 40 years supporting I have for the ONLY TIME lost the will to be bothered anymore, how sad is that...and for the record when I presented the board with a realistic planning/redevelopment strategy at Wigan, it got totally ignored and after over 4 and a half years, all the club will see permission for will be some limited change of land use. In my expert opinion, the club's desired and highly costly to someone associated with YTFC, redevelopment never was going to get pass planning, and never will
03/12/2015 06:54:56

Stu said ...

Good article as always.
I (and many like me) have stayed away much of this season as the football played has been so poor. It has been like watching a re run of last season. However, I think we have actually got better players at the moment, so much so that I have got a ticket for this Saturday following the news of PS departure. His tactics were almost for not losing rather than winning. Your time now to shine Darren! (for the moment at least....)
03/12/2015 07:46:56

Paul T said ...

Finally I am looking forward to the game on Saturday, lets all go with a wave of positive support to encourage the team to attack and see what happens.PS persuaded me to stay away after seeing no entertainment in the early games I have been waiting for the players to return who will get us out of this!
GJ comments were interesting about taking our eye of the ball, as he managed the football side you can only presume he means financially not having the support he once had.
JF is constantly blaming budget restrictions but a caller to the radio after Saturdays game stated we have the 11th highest budget in league 2, if this is true there are 12 teams out performing us.
As Darren says success this season is now staying in league 2, Come On Yeovil.
03/12/2015 11:05:13

Mark Budden said ...

I know I have said this before in the press but as I look at things simply ( perhaps too simply I admit!), my feelings are that one way that us fans can really help is by going along to games. I know it is difficult when we are bottom of the league and loosing so often, but I go just as often as I ever did and will NOT change that.
Where are all those "fans" who supported the club the season we entered the League... regular gates of 5,000 + and sometimes over 8,000. I know things were different then. Everything was fresh and exciting and I am not suggesting that we get those gates in League 2 but Gary Johnson always said that gates of 4,500+ were needed to free up funds to buy players. Surely enough people could come along to make that a reality? and show the Team/ management that we are really behind them into the bargain.Is not the thought of loosing our League status enough to spur those on the fringes to make the effort to put cash through the turnstiles?
03/12/2015 11:26:41

camelgreen said ...

Dave, we played a Premier club in the FA cup last season, that didn't save us then, because the money wasn't invested in the team and probably wouldn't be again. As Badger said Fry has got his faults but look beyond him, there is someone else pulling the strings!!
03/12/2015 11:54:18

Northbank Green said ...

Dear YTFC,I am angry and upset, you haved proved that you have a *rap Chairman, Directors and Coaching staff (TS and DW)never known a club suffer so many player injuries, I am shocked but not surprised by our present predicament, I did say when Sturrock was appointed that I hoped he could turn it around but I had my doubts we were/are in freefall and gaining momentum,a new manager needs his own coaching and backroom staff,I thought he'd possibly resign due to the job pressure or his health didn't see him getting the sack, same conclusion though, TS & DW back in charge Whoopee.John Fry and your inept board your master plan for YTFC to be non-league football club again is nearing fruition. I am fed up with hearing your excuses low crowds,needing the supermarket blah blah blah, cut out your excuses and step up to the plate ,be under no illusion you have been at the helm during YTFCs (golden goose)most successful years,crowds of 5-6000 in league 2, you have presided over a board who have shown no vision, no forward planning,no investment in the ground or facilities you have taken the goodwill of supporters and abused it, you have accused the town of not backing the club,why should people, when it is plain to see you are running it down.YTFC was a highly marketable brand, people in the town and surrounding areas spoke highly of us, nationally we were in the news regularly, a good board and some clever marketing would have harnessed this goodwill and free advertising to make some money, save for the rainy days(monsoon) we are now getting I truly believe you want to be back in non-league football where YTFC were seen as a big club and maybe you and the board were looked up to by other small clubs as someone/people to aspire to, but in the league you have come up against other boards cleverer people who clearly can manage and maintain/stabilise their clubs on the same budget/crowds that YTFC have. You (the board) have felt out of place, so inwardly you are not to unhappy that we are heading back to non- league.Whilst I realise that Mr Fry doesn't personally pick the team or tactics he is ultimately the one in charge it is his stubbornness and misguided loyalty that means we still have TS and DW at the club and until these two go I can't see anything getting better. Now the million dollar question are we going down again, 11pts from 20 games so far, 50pts to stay up? 39pts from 26 games = (poss78pts) should be possible? I would like to believe we will survive but 3yrs on the trot of losing and excuses has worn thin and although a year ago on this forum I said my glass was half full I'm afraid its now half empty, Hold on a minute there is a fat women at my door she seems to be clearing her throat I hope she isn't going to sing but she's got some momentum and is going to be hard to stop.
03/12/2015 13:48:44

Green Commuter said ...

Taking on board the various observations of fellow supporters and ex-management, there is a consensus that the property development has taken priority in recent years with not enough focus on the playing activities. Could the main reason for this be the fact that the main asset, the land, has been taken into separate ownership from the football club? This very move restricts the ability of the football club, as a discrete entity, from doing anything expansive as it cannot effectively raise finance against the asset. Presumably the property holding company is the football club's landlord - and I don't know how that relationship is conducted, whether there is a formal lease in place, and on what terms etc. If there is a lease in place, there maybe onerous conditions in place should the tenant (football club) become insolvent or enter administration.

So we need to bear in mind that the objectives and strategies of the football club and the property company may not be aligned - in spite of what certain individuals claim. Such Doomsday scenarios have happened at other clubs where the property ownership was split from the club.

We all may need to be looking beyond just what is being played out on the playing field.
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